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The Great Misunderstanding: Salvation vs. Discipleship     37 views

Angelman444
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3/19/2016 1:05 pm
The Great Misunderstanding: Salvation vs. Discipleship

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding among believers today over what is expected of a convert after they become a child of God. Salvation is spiritual rebirth, but that is only the beginning of a believers walk with God. After a baby is born, he/she has to learn how to walk and act like a human being. All too often I see a disproportionate emphasis on the process of being born again, and a neglect of the teaching of what is expected of a child of God after they are born into God's kingdom.
One does not learn to walk, eat, make a living in order to be born human; but rather to BE a normal human.
The 3rd chapter of Hebrews shows that God was upset with Israel over two things: their hearts were far from Him, and they were not following in His WAYS. Israel had a history of being drawn away toward woreshipping idols of false gods, and like in Exodus 16 in not honoring His holy 7th day. Keep in mind that God had ALREADY pronounced them as His children, so salvation was not the issue; the problem was that they were not ACTING like His children. I have heard ministers criticize others who teach that discipleship involves more than just getting 'saved'. The basis is that they are supposedly teaching works salvation, but that is totally wrong. Salvation is one thing, and discipleship is an entirely different matter. It is widely recognized that water baptism is what is expected of a person who has professed a saving faith in Jesus the Christ. Water baptism is the first step in discipleship and most denominations believe that it does not actually save a person. So why is it so hard to accept that obeying the 4th commandment fits in the same category as water baptism; one of the things involved in discipleship? One does not become water baptized to BE saved, and one does not honor God's holy day for that reason either. But for some reason, false teaching has clouded people's thinking so that they cannot grasp this. God made the 7th day holy at the end of Creation week and is NOT dependent on whether or not the law of Moses is still in effect or not. The 4th commandment is the only one that specifically called for the death penalty for failing to remember God's holy day, so how can it be considered to be less of a moral commandment than the other 9?


Angelman444
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3/26/2016 12:51 pm

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The Great Commission given to us by our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ was to go into all the world and preach the Gospel, make disciples of all men, teaching them to observe all things that He commanded.

So discipleship is to observe all things that Jesus commanded and to spread the Gospel. Jesus told us that if we love Him, we should keep His commandments. The 10 Commandments that God wrote in stone on Mt. Sinai are summarized in the 2 Great Commandments to love God with all our hearts and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

The common teaching of today is that the law of love does away with the 10 Commandments, but this is not in accordance with ALL of the scriptures that refer to the subject. Ezekiel 36:27 has God saying that He would put His Spirit IN us and cause us to walk in His statutes. The Holy Spirit did not come to dwell in believers in a general sense until New Testament times, so anyone who teaches that God's basic laws have been set aside does not know their Bible. Matthew 5:19 shows that breaking even the least of His commandments and/or teaching others to do so is not a good idea.

Discipleship is to walk IN the Spirit that enables us to live in accordance with God's ways. Recruiting others to believe and become disciples is part of this discipleship.

We don't become disciples in order to BE saved, because salvation is a free gift from God;
we become disciples BECAUSE we were saved ALREADY.

Angelman444
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3/26/2016 1:00 pm

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Revelation 14:12 shows that saints keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

This verse of scriptures shows that there are 2 different aspects of being a saint; faith in Christ and then keeping the basic laws of God.

Faith in Jesus the Christ is a basic component of salvation, and continues on in the life of the believer.

Keeping the commandments of God is a basic part of discipleship.

Angelman444
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4/2/2016 12:47 pm

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Paul told us that there would come a time when many would not be able to endure "sound doctrine".

What I just wrote in this thread is based 100% on what the scriptures show,
so I think it is safe to say that it fits into the category of "sound doctrine". The fact that the majority of Christianity cannot accept what is plainly written in God's word on this topic does not change the fact that it is true.

I will never apologize for bringing sound doctrine to this group.

If anyone is offended by this sound doctrine, their problem is with the Word of God, and not with me.

Angelman444
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8/25/2016 11:43 am

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I label myself as a "Biblical Christian". I am not a 7th Day Adventist, nor do I belong to a particular denomination. I am into pure Biblical truth.
It has been so drilled into people's heads that the Sabbath is all about old Jewish law, and for this reason, the Christian can disregard it. If one reads Genesis 2:3 several times, it becomes clear that God SANCTIFIED the 7 th day LONG before there were ANY Jews or written laws. Exodus 16 shows that God had an expectation for His children to honor His Holy Day PRIOR to Him giving Moses the 10 Commandments on Mt. Sinai. The 4th commandment says "REMEMBER" the Sabbath day; the 4th commandment itself did NOT establish the 7th day principle; that happened at Creation week.

So why would anyone want to FORGET a commandment that says "remember"?

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