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gavinLS 69M
171 posts
2/7/2012 1:47 pm

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2/22/2012 2:55 am

A long wordy post that I really didn't want to write in the first place


Hi folks. Been noticing a lot of tension in the blogs lately. Some folks have even wanted me to weigh in on it. I’m complimented if ppl respect my opinions, but I’m not sure I can do much about the problems in here.

Everyone is a jerk sometimes. And some folks seem to have an extra gift in that ability.

If ppl persist in trying to rile others, I don’t think much that can really be done to stop them. But I’ve noticed that those who rail on the most, trying to get bystanders to take their sides, usually lose credibility with those they r trying to convince anyway.

So I’ve been thinking about this. I made a long comment on SiennaSun’s latest post, but that mainly just expressed my confusions over the whole matter.

Ppl r gonna change handles and come into BC as much as they want. So it’s silly to think we can “run” them out. Besides, if they come in and don’t attack anyone, then why attack them?

As to the veiled insults and innuendos, all I can say is that when someone tries that with me, I usually try to conduct myself as if I didn’t realize the attack was aimed at me. That forces them to be specific, and come right out and make their accusations against me. Or, many times someone else will ask them to be specific, and the same thing happens. Occasionally, I may ask them directly if they mean me. Often times I find out that their comments were not directed at me or were just innocent comments that even they didn’t realize could be construed as an attack. At any rate, if they refuse to get specific, then most ppl who view the exchange will probably c them as the troublemaker anyway.

But if u’r one of the ppl who is consistantly trying to get a rise out of your enemy, or if u attack them the moment u see them even before they can say or do anything offensive, then you are part of the problem and not the solution. Same thing if u drag up ancient history that has no bearing on the topic of the time. You end up looking like the troublemaker.

It’s also silly to think we can “expose” anyone in here. It’s not like there r masses of people who r so uninformed or naive that they won’t figure things out for themselves soon enough anyway.
So what if someone was an ass in the past? So what if they have a new handle? Unless they definitely pose a serious threat to anyone, and by that I mean u actually c a crime or fraud in the process of being perpetrated, to attack them just makes you look like the bad guy.

I’ve spent most of my BC years in the chats. Many ppl regard me as credible. I’m pretty sure one reason for that, is my attempt to make a habit of NEVER being the first one to raise an old argument, or to attack an adversary as soon as I c them enter the room. This includes not making innuendos or veiled comments designed to dredge up past garbage. And by old argument, I’m referring to any difference that is more than 15 minutes old.

As to making innuendos and veiled comments that r not in response to a DEFINITE and SPECIFIC attack on you, if u know that ur comments r going to inspire offense in someone, whether ur comments are true or not, YOU are the troublemaker. Even if u consider it friendly teasing. Maybe it can be said some ppl r too sensitive. But if u know that, and u still deliberately try to get a reaction out of them, then YOU are the troublemaker.

I suppose I could blather on some more, but this blog has gotten too long anyway.

I suggest ppl don’t worry about what others think about them. I also suggest ppl don’t worry about what others think of their adversaries. The less u worry about what ppl think on both those subjects, the more u’ll find that ppl will agree with you.

Overcaffeinated 60F
9021 posts
2/7/2012 6:26 pm

I don't think I've done my job if I didn't somehow offend at least one person everyday!


gavinLS 69M
410 posts
2/7/2012 7:56 pm

LOL Overcaffy!


gavinLS 69M
410 posts
2/7/2012 8:35 pm

LOL Otter


gavinLS 69M
410 posts
2/7/2012 9:31 pm

TY Mac!


Exodus24 58M
750 posts
2/7/2012 9:39 pm

There must be an uproar with chatters infiltrating your blog gavin... Wouldn't you think that discussing this in chat adds fuel to the fire??? You made valid points.....I can say from my standpoint I have not attacked in blogs....I have responded to allegations,,,stood up for people being ripped to shreds.......Now this is a statement to all: The slander and accusations on me being other BigChurch people can be brushed off....The accusers look worse than I do.....The childish banter is banter....What is serious,,,what is not being recognized is the profound difference between petty arguments and looking out for people from predators....Predators do linger on this site....I heard many stories about this Jeremiah guy,,,a felon....Another delinquent lurks in our midst...One that perpetually harasses and attacks people in blogs and chat...He creates new personalities and handles when he has had enough bannings...He can't give up his attention albeit it is negative attention.....BigChurch may not have done anything about the BS...That is not an implication that they will not or are not in the process of dealing with these growing problems......Online harassment is a tricky business that is being ironed out......There is no humor when people are on the receiving end of it....People here most assuredly are on the receiving end of it...Some people speak out about it and move on...Other people speak out about it and carry on....Still other people are intimidated to say anything...That's a shame......If I am looked at as a jerk for speaking up about it then so be it......Better than having my head in the sand,,,I have a clean conscience.........


gavinLS 69M
410 posts
2/8/2012 10:25 am

TY Exodus. I really didn't want to take any sides in what I could see was a series of long standing disputes. Many of the people who blog are also chatters, and many of these disputes have long ago infiltrated the chats. (Even before I started blogging!) Chats is where my involvement was suggested. I was told some comment I made long ago seemed to have an effect on some folks who were bringing their blog fights into the chatroom, and that some people had stopped their part in the overall fighting as a result. So I said I'd try to help.

I really don't think my views r going to do much to change human nature. And I think most the folks involved in the current disputes are basicly decent people, some of whom may have human shortcomings like we all do, which sometimes defeat our better judgment. I just hate the fact that at least one dear old friend is considering quitting BC altogether.

I suppose everyone involved feels a clean conscience. And that's good cos I wasn't trying to shame or hurt anyone. If that were my goal, I'd have taken sides in the issues. But then I'd just have become part of the problem.

TY for responding and GBU


gavinLS 69M
410 posts
2/8/2012 10:28 am

TY Racefan! And I'm happy you met Otter!

Your comments about what Jesus did/would do were right on point.

TY


gavinLS 69M
410 posts
2/8/2012 10:29 am

TY Heavenly Sights!!


gavinLS 69M
410 posts
2/8/2012 10:29 am

TY Hopein!