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Conspiracy Theories--Don't Let Your Brain Fall Asleep! It seems we are awash in conspiracy theories these days. There are well meaning people out there who firmly believe that the events of September 11, 2001 were a government sponsored fraud that was designed to get us to go to war for oil in the Middle East. Nevermind that these people ignore mountains of evidence to the contrary. Nevermind that they engage in distorting the truth, taking quotes out of context and faulty reasoning. They do it because they know, (without real evidence) that our own government faked the phone calls from Flight 93, planted demolition charges in the World Trade Center, and fired phantom missles into the Pentagon, just to have a pretext to go to war in the Middle East. It cannot be, they reason in their racist minds, that 19 Arab men could with enough preparation and coordination pull off the most cunning terrorist act in history. Nevermind that these men were mostly college graduates, some of whom trained for months to be able to fly a 767 with enough precision to strike their target at over 500 mph. This explanation just won't do. There MUST be a government behind it all. It MUST have been OUR government. Luckily there are people out there who are disgusted with this little "movement" enough to fight back and show these people for the frauds they are. The Magazine Popular Mechanicsand the website screwloosechange  com have dissected the so called evidence presented by these people. that takes apart the documentary, challenging every spurious fact, every insult to the memory of those nearly 3000 people who died that day. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis |
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8/16/2007 12:00 am |
So please explain WTC Building 7, since the owner of the building said on a taped interview that he was told they were going to blow it up or "pull it" purposely because it was too damaged from fire. And then the city's explanation was that it collapsed and it was not a controlled demolition. Not to mention no building with a steel inner structure in American history has collapsed solely from "fire". Building 7 was not hit by a plane and was not even directly next to the Towers. And to no surprise, the 9/11 Commission never addressed it.
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Wow. I was fortunate to visit NYC recently for the first time. There were conspiracy theorists passing out flyers about that now that I recall. Nuts imo. Luv ya bro. Keep that warm heart pumping for the Lord.
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8/16/2007 6:47 am |
guess it's easier for some to blame the government than accepting that even us americans are targets of terrorisim in our oun backyard. Life is an adventure.
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8/17/2007 9:00 pm |
Aslan -- I just mentioned something that was amiss. The leaseholder of WTC, Larry Silverstein, said he was called by the fire and police authorities and told they were going to demolish building 7 because the fire in it was raging too strongly. But the mayor and every major media outlet gave an "official" explanation that Building 7 collapsed due to structural damage. And then the 9/11 commission never even mentioned building 7! At all. And for you and everyone in this thread that doubts all the "whacko" conspiracy theorists, please, please, please google Operation Northwoods, an official government document (that has since been declassified under the Freedom of Information Act) from the Joint Chief of Staffs which details how our government in the '60s was planning to carry out attacks on American citizens and blame it on "terrorists". www gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf There is the link to the actual document. Aslan -- what is your answer to that??? I welcome your response.
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8/18/2007 7:59 am |
My point of Operation northwoods is to show the government's capacity to plan attacks on American citizens. You see that document and just shrug it off? The Joint Chief of Staffs (the highest ranking military officers and report directly to the President, FYI -- they are not just "someone in the government")recommended killing soldiers, college students and other citizens and staging funerals and fake media stories and you're comfortable with that. Either way, the document proves the government is willing to perpetrate numerous attacks on Americans and blame "terrorists." So the notion is no longer a "conspiracy theory." And again, I keep repeating that the owner of WTC was told that they were going to blow the building up but the official explanation given was that it collapsed from heat. And the 9/11 Commission did not address Building 7 at all. You have not addressed that glaring omission from the report. But most importantly, do not underestimate Satan. He is the ruler of this world and can and will carry out any extent of evil. The Bible says that during the tribulation if Jesus did not return, no human would be left on the Earth from all the killing and war going on. The faith people automatically put in our pagan/ecumenical leaders should be reserved for The Lord.
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8/18/2007 3:42 pm |
I have never even seen Loose Change so I can't say I belong to or advocate the movie. There is so much more beyond 9/11 that you would truly get a laugh out of that unfortunately is very true. Needless to say, this is not really that much of a concern of mine. The President has no interest in a Christian agenda and neither did Bill Clinton. And neither will Hillary Clinton when she wins. So to me they are all pushing the world's agenda, which is a satanic one. Which is why again, I say, that we as stewards of The Word need to recognize our true enemy, Satan, not any person or group. And Satan is manipulating EVERYTHING that he possible can. And know that the Antichrist is going to be a politician. So that alone should show how wary we should be of people in public office. In addition to Operation northwoods, just look at wars in the 20th century. If you study history carefully, you will see government involvement in the instigation of almost all of them. WWI: The sinking of the Lusitania, which led to the death of 128 people, triggered American involvement in the war. This ship was carrying munitions along with those American civilian passengers to England, thus making it a "ship of war". The Book "The Lusitania" by Colin Simpson and many other historical sources make it clear that the British and the American government purposely sent this ship into German waters to provoke an attack. The German government, which had cracked British codes and know ship schedules, knew the ship was coming and even put ads in New York papers in advance warning people not to get on! This is not a theory. It's American history. Just look it up. WWII -- Remember, American spies decoded the Japanese transmission to the Japanese embassy that all relations with America were cut off on December 5, 1941. The Secretary of the Navy (you know, one of those Joint Chief of Staff guys again), Frank Knox advised FDR in a cabinet meeting on December 6th that this meant war and that Pearl Harbor was the clear target for a Japanese strike. And what did we do? Nothing. December 7th, the rest is history. Again, you can check numerous sources to confirm this is true. Need I mention Gulf of Tonkin? The August 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, where US warships were apparently attacked by North Vietnamese PT Boats, was cited by President Johnson as a legitimate provocation mandating U.S. escalation in Vietnam, yet Tonkin was a staged charade that never took place. Declassified LBJ presidential tapes discuss how to spin the non-event to escalate it as justification for air strikes and the NSA faked intelligence data to make it appear as if two US ships had been lost. And of course we have all those disappearing WMD in Iraq. So now I have shown 3 wars that were started on false pretenses, 1 war that was started on evidence that never materialized (iraq) and official government documents with plans to stage fake terror attacks and kill Americans. And all this verifiable American history. So logically it's no stretch to put anything past the government. And it makes sense to be wary. And certainly as Christians we should know to be.
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8/19/2007 9:58 pm |
Nice try to just shrug off the Lusitania and Pearl harbor. Like I said, I have shown 3 wars in the 20th century where our action was instigated by the government on the basis of false pretenses. These are all facts. Once again, with respect to Iraq, I did not say the Bush admin. "fudged" anything. I said it was started on the basis of evidence (WMD) that never materialized. This is a fact. I understand that there were UN resolutions and so on, but here we are 5 years later and all the WMD we were told about have not been found. And Operation Northwoods was a fact. So again, you say these things have no bearing on each other, but they all had the exact same goal: get the US into a war. So I think it's very clear they do have bearing on each other. And once again, I have never seen Loose Change. But I do know American history. And those who don't learn from it are doomed to repeat it.
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8/20/2007 10:30 am |
Amazing. I honestly do not care about proving things about 9/11. You brought the topic up so I am responding to it. I care about the Bible and The Lord's word. And I am very wary of politicians who double as false prophets in this day and age, invoking the name of The Lord but following nothing the Bible says. And this has been our history. You cannot refute what I say because it's fact. WWI, WWI and Vietnam: all featured government instigated involvement based on purposely fabricated pretenses. I don't need to jump to any conclusions from that. That ALONE proves my point. That we must be wary of these leaders. Again, you and others seem to think I really care about politics. I don't. Like I said, I am no fan of Bill Clinton or Bush. They are just the same to me. So how does this fit in with Christianity? Just read Matthew 24: deception. We are living in a time of unparalleled deception. And politicians, entertainers, authors (see Harry Potter) and many preachers are the leaders of this. We need to guard against their ideas that are sinful or move us away from The Word of The Lord. And again, as I said before, the antichrist will be a politician. Who will come in offering peace. Remember, he is the rider with a bow with no arrow. He will use diplomacy to get people to love him. So we must not just give the government all of our faith for no reason. As I have shown with FACTS, the government will do all sorts of deceptive and evil, murderous acts to get into a war. And we should especially not just give them our precious faith when they are not in line with Biblical principles. Praise The Lord and Jesus from whom all blessings flow.
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8/21/2007 4:17 am |
If I was so passionate about proving 9/11, I would have started my own blog on it without anyone suggesting it. But I don't care that much to because that is not my focus. But again, since YOU brought it up, I am sharing my thoughts on it. And if you really want to get into it, Loose Change and the Loose Change debunkers are focusing on the smaller issues, like structural damage, size of holes and such. That is all debatable. What about the big picture? What evidence do we have linking AQ to 9/11? The 9/11 commission could not find any. They also could not trace ONE DOLLAR of funding to the hijackers, so we have no evidence of who gave then their money. This is FACT. And they then said it was not important! It's not important to know who funded the deadliest attack on American soil? Really. Wow. And then things go from suspicious to absurd when we find out how closely connected the Bin laden and Bush families have been for the past 30 years. And that Bush Jr. and the Bin Laden money man Bath were in the air rangers together, and that the Bin Laden family money bailed out one of Bush's many failed ventures. And let's not forget that Osama was once trained to fight the Russians by the CIA of which George Bush Sr. was the head of. Yikes. And this is 100% fact. Doesn't that seem like an absurd coincidence? And then let's not discuss the passenger manifest lists which were completely misquoted and incorrect all throughout the coverage of 9/11. AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11 There are supposed to be 92 victims There are only 86 victims on this official list Why are 6 people missing from this list None of the 5 alleged hijackers are on this list 1. Satam M.A. Al Suqami 2. Waleed M. Alshehri 3. Wail M. Alshehri 4. Mohamed Atta 5. Abdulaziz Alomari "American Airlines Flight 11, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California, crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center with 92 people on board." Since when do these gets misreported and never corrected? The same omissions are found on all the manifest lists. Additionally, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology did an autopsy report and identified all the bodies from Flight 77 on Nov. 16, 2001. The official report has been released under the Freedom of Information Act. And guess what? no Arab names on the report! I can provide this report and the links to the news centers reported lists. Again, this is fact. And you still have not said one thing about the leaseholder of WTC saying on camera in an interview that he was called on the phone by the authorities and told they were going to "pull" his building, Building 7. And again, the 9/11 Commission does not even mention Building 7 at all! This is a fact. Interestingly enough, neither the Popular Mechanics article or any other debunking materials I have seen mention any of this. I will close by saying I am glad we agree on guarding against deception. And I am also glad that you have not tried to "debunk" all the facts I have presented about American history and the lies and rampant deception that led to our involvement in 3 wars and our proposed fake terror attacks on American citizens.
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8/22/2007 3:30 am |
So now let me guess, the official report, released by the government (notice how I keep citing government documents and you're not??) is wrong? Is that what you're asserting? I did not see you or any debunker explain the lack of one Arab name on the autopsy report for Flight 77.
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