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speeritwoman
(Barb R)
66F
59 posts
10/2/2006 2:43 pm

Last Read:
9/20/2007 11:59 am

Forgiveness - Why such a struggle...?


OK, dear ones...

I have a query for all of us.

We that are truly Christian disciples understand clearly that God wishes us to forgive one another. Jesus taught this clearly and I think we probably all can come up with scripture to back that premise up.

Therefore...I have some food for thought.

Why , if we so clearly know this is what we are to do...do we find such a struggle in completely doing it and honestly doing it?

And why do people get angry with God when something 'terrible' happens in our lives, and have such a hard time forgiving Him?

I know we SAY we forgive...others and Him...but I have seen , in myself and in others ...at times, that it is something I am or they are speaking because I know or they know that it is what is supposed to be done...but in our hearts, those deep places...we have not completely let it go. Why do you think that is?

And if you think it is our sinful nature, what about it, what part of that is it? Perhaps in reasoning together to find the core of the matter, we can help one another to understand more what we must do, what we must ask God to help us with in order to obey Him in this area more as we should!

Blessings!

Barb


PrayforWisdom
(Mike S.)
66M
2545 posts
10/3/2006 6:59 am

Barb,

Rhonda is so right here, Thank you Rhonda.

Also Jesus taught us how to forgive while on the cross, He said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Not only did Jesus forgive us our sins, He also asked God not to hold it against them either.(to forgive them) By doing this we take that situation out of our hands and lay it at the foot of the throne of God, where Satan can not get to it to use against us any longer. As long as we still have it, Satan can use it against us. Remember forgiving is not forgetting, it just means we do not bring it up any more or beat them over the head with it every chance we get. They are forgiven, not forgotten, we remember in order help guard us from it happening again.

God Bless You,
Mike

The Ties That Bind please read. and Forgiveness


tallman2000
(Martin C)
60M

10/3/2006 12:47 pm

The struggle is equally within us when we have sinned and ask God to forgive us. God forgives us but we carry on with the guilt, because we find it so hard to accept God's forgiveness. There is a sense of failure of having let God down and accepting that his forgiveness is total and that his love means he does forgive and forget. It is so mind blowing, that we often don't leave our sin with God but take it away with us as well.

Anyway, thanks for raising the topic, its an important one,

Martin.


Indescribeable 66F
8057 posts
10/3/2006 2:28 pm

Hey my friend. You are the greatest. Forgiveness as in the Lord's prayer always. I had a similar experience with my sister last Christmas pertaining to people you have held grudges against. I think I blogged about it. The post was wooden flowers or something like that. It pertained to a set of wooden flowers that my mom had given me for christmas last year and the irony of the story was those wooden flowers were what healed my sister and I from our differences. I'll have to dig it up and let you read it. I found it. Take a look. SPIRITUAL GIFT MYSTERY IS RESOLVED

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speeritwoman
(Barb R)
66F
111 posts
10/3/2006 3:59 pm

I had written out some thoughts about this subject and thought of posting them originally, as the Holy Spirit had revealed some things in minsitering to someone. But I decided to pose it as a question instead and see what other revelations the Lord has given to people first ! So after I hear a little more from all of you, I will share those original thoughts that inspired the post! The Ties that Bind is an EXCELLENT book ...I have utilized its wisdom a lot in my work over the years in counseling addicts. thanks for that referral!
I am not really seeking other information on Forgiveness though so much as I seek to hear the 'personal' experience or understanding of what that is that each of you have. What has God shown you ABOUT forgiveness...not so much the sources of HOW He showed you, though those are great resources to share with others seeking to find out more about the subject. I just thought that sometimes, in sharing ourselves and our on understandings...we actually CREATE a resource for others, unlike any other already existing!
God Bless you all...
All the Love of Christ...


speeritwoman
(Barb R)
66F
111 posts
10/3/2006 4:02 pm

hey mike...LOL>..by the way...just read your posts also...excellent!
The Ties that Bind is also a book! LOL which is what I thought you were originally referring to until i realized it was a link
duh
lol
blessings...


eaglhwk7
(Phoebe Cortez)
57F
175 posts
11/16/2006 5:16 am

hrm... all wonderful and right.. but i'll do my usual and throw a wrench in the wheels...

I have always been taught native traditions but i am Shawnee and well that kinda stands to reason. Also have been taught some Jewish traditions and those as well have been wonderful. Here's my point.
When Moses asked who he should say sent him.. God replied " I am that I am'

ever consider that? The traditional stance is that if God had given an actual name... the children of Israel, being in bondage so long, would have made an image.. what they would have thought "Jehovah" would have looked it and therefore place themselves in condemnation and sin.

I believe we hold on to past hurts and grudges because that means we will truly have to lean on the Lord.. for real this time.
Can you imagine what the people of Israel were thinking when they left Egypt only to find themselves in the desert with what they "believed" to be nothing?

Thats the reason they made the golden calf.. it reminded them of before, where they felt secure and protected. They allowed the past to give them their hope rather then see that the only hope they needed was atop Mt. Sinai watching them in sadness.

To truly let go means you must stop what you know to be truth. Forgiveness is wonderful and as Christ gave that precious gift, knowing that in time, He would embrace them upon their death years later. I can imagine the heart pull on the roman soldier who may have converted and then at death.. seeing the man he nailed coming to take him home.

Its much easier for us to hold on.. then to let go... much like the story of the hiker who slipped off the cliff and as he dandled from his safety line in the dark.. the Spirit moved upon him and spoke that whisper to let go of the rope... and yet refuses to listen to the Word of God... died in the freezing temp... 4 feet from the ground... had he obeyed.. he would have lived.

So.. the question remains .. can we as His children...

let go of the rope?