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Preterism is false. Wormwood is a literal star That great star falls from heaven according to Revelation 8:10. Jesus indicates a related event to this big star falling on earth which makes a THIRD part water 'wormwood'. Notice after this freakin event the sun is darkened! |
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Preterism is only one of four basic eschatological views. Theologians from all four views manage to back their views from the Bible too. But it doesn't matter which view one chooses to accept. Long as your faith is in Christ, that's the only theological doctrine that is gonna matter when one stands in judgement. I lean towards Preterism, but personally I don't care which view one takes.
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1/26/2012 6:23 pm |
There are 4 basic views because there are different types of people out there, but I'm sure at least one of the views are by people who can't even put a puzzle together.
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I guess I'm lost. Altho I can put a puzzle together, I'm not sure how that applies to eschatology? Please explain?
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1/26/2012 10:40 pm |
About a year or two ago, heard a late night radio host discuss astronomical phenomena, extraterrestrial activity, and prophecy. He was interviewing some authority on the matter, and the discussion turned to what NASA and independent astronomers are seeing in the cosmos these days. They identified, I think, a meteor or asteroid in a trajectory with the earth. The host and guest discussed this at length until they finally mentioned what the authorities decided to name the object: Wormwood.
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1/26/2012 11:44 pm |
What if Rev 8:10 9is not about the FUTURE (even back then) but about an event in the distant past? Hmmmmm? Could it BE that the folks who put the words on paper got the TIME LINE WRONG? Hmmmmm? Wormwood--- "BITTERNESS" --- or- by simple further DEEPER study- FAIRY TALE from religious zealotry that drove men insane back then. Doesn't matter- ALREADY DONE. Just have to know where to look for the evidence. DO YOU KNOW? Cuz the info is available IF YOU LOOK FOR IT. 
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1/27/2012 12:02 am |
Gavin, there is one basic view of the 4 that is totally absurd, and many of those people can't even figure out simple things in life. It's only predictable that far out ideas come from people who do far out things.
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1/27/2012 12:09 am |
I have to ask 1-10 to continue his eschatology on the event because it's part of a whole chapter. After this so-called great prince wormwoood or the bitterness fairy tale, the chapter indicates it causes the sun to be darkened by a third etc. We know Jesus was referring to the Indians and the Vikings when he talks about the signs in the sun and moon.
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Oh, so you're saying only preterism is totally absurd? And those people are stupid? And what's this about predictability of "far out" people? Please enlighten me some more?
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Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Funny, I didn't think Jesus was stupid, but He seemed to think it was all gonna happen within the lifetimes of people back then. I guess He was one of the absurd ones eh? Matthew, Mark, and Luke seem to have fallen into the same boat. But what do people like me know? I have to admit they were all doing some far out things. I guess it's more important to put together puzzles?
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Oneten alludes to another eschatological view. This one is known as Historicism. It's the belief that Biblical prophecy has been unfolding over time. It's a noble view too. The other views are just as noble. Futurism (the belief that it is all yet to come)is the one most people are familiar with today. The other one is called by several names, but here I'll refer to it as Spiritualism/Idealism. (It's the belief that Revelation is a symbolic book with meanings personal to each individual.) All of the views can be backed up with Scripture. So none can be proven or disproven. The discussion only gets stupid when fools try to denigrate one view or the other, or to denigrate those who think differently from them on the subject. In essence, this is another stupid thing to fight about. Especially when people are stupid enough to attack others for their beliefs. Tried to give you a graceful and noble way out of it Stealth, but you couldn't put the puzzle together.
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1/27/2012 4:26 am |
I'm talking about the view that is based on the corrupted newer versions of the bible that say the antichrist is making a treaty in Daniel 9:27. I do believe the Abomination of Desolation already happened and it's not a coincidence that those who believe the antichrist will make a treaty are the same people who can't figure out the Abomination of Desolation already occurred. It gets further ridiculous than that too. Those same people think the state of Israel fulfills a major prophecy and it doesn't, and I'm referring to those who think that God told the Jews again to build their nation.
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1/27/2012 4:40 am |
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. You have to read the verse before to figure out what Jesus is saying. Verse 33 [when you see these things know that it's at the very doors] What is at the very doors??? That's talking about the sign of Christ's coming. This generation won't pass away until all those things are fulfilled. Those things that are happening before the big sign of Christ's coming. The proof is seen too after verse 34 and that is Christ says no man knows the day or hour. Jesus could have put verse 34 after comparing his coming to the time of the Great Flood, but he didn't. The things that are fulfilled in that generation are those things before the sun and moon are darkened.
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1/27/2012 4:44 am |
I didn't really research Preterism before until this week and I don't think it's the worst of 4 basic views. Preterism says all things occurred already in Revelation. That's based on a day's research so I don't see any danger in it except the danger that somehow Jesus already came and the antichrist already existed. Christ hasn't come so the antichrist hasn't appeared either.
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1/27/2012 4:59 am |
that's all speculation 1-10. The book of Daniel indicates the 4th beast will have ten horns. Only one of the Roman Emperors could have given power to ten kings. The little horn comes after those 10 horns, and the Byzantine empire didn't have much power as the Western side of the Roman Empire. All those Protestants in Europe didn't die for nothing. They knew which nations was making war against them and it wasn't any nation from Africa or the Middle East either.
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1/27/2012 5:06 am |
I think the view I'm referring to as beyond absurd is the pre-tribulation view. It's based on the idea that is there is 7 years at the end of the end. foowee.
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1/27/2012 8:25 am |
Oneten alludes to another eschatological view. This one is known as Historicism. It's the belief that Biblical prophecy has been unfolding over time. It's a noble view too. The other views are just as noble. Futurism (the belief that it is all yet to come)is the one most people are familiar with today. The other one is called by several names, but here I'll refer to it as Spiritualism/Idealism. (It's the belief that Revelation is a symbolic book with meanings personal to each individual.) All of the views can be backed up with Scripture. So none can be proven or disproven. The discussion only gets stupid when fools try to denigrate one view or the other, or to denigrate those who think differently from them on the subject. In essence, this is another stupid thing to fight about. Especially when people are stupid enough to attack others for their beliefs. Tried to give you a graceful and noble way out of it Stealth, but you couldn't put the puzzle together. And you are onto "truth"- Either it all happened before, during and just after Jesus was here and said what He said--- OR--- Jesus was a liar. You choose. Black or white, hot or cold, real or fantasy. It happened the way Jesus said- OR- Jesus AND His Father were/are LIARS. Eschatology is fantasy. Based upon wishful thinking and in depth exploration of someone else's fantasy. But "religion" itself forces people to believe CRAP or suffer the wrath of what ever God is watching their every move- or those who claim to represent that God. Even "christianity" is no exception. It is simply one more iteration of God's "strong delusion" as found in 2Thess 2:11. If you will not submit to HIM- you WILL submit to Satan by God's own command. Hence "christianity" --- Satan's finest deception. All a part of God's delusion. His way or the highway. Strait and narrow- or 10 lane curvy highway. No middle ground and no salvation. God never changed the rules- Men and Satan did. 
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1/27/2012 8:36 am |
I didn't really research Preterism before until this week and I don't think it's the worst of 4 basic views. Preterism says all things occurred already in Revelation. That's based on a day's research so I don't see any danger in it except the danger that somehow Jesus already came and the antichrist already existed. Christ hasn't come so the antichrist hasn't appeared either. "Christ hasn't come so the antichrist hasn't appeared either." Since you make this statement with no knowledge at all on the subject- is this you being rational and teaching TRUTH or is this you being "speculative" and repeating what other loonie toons hyper Jesus deniers have taught over the centuries? Cuz obviously you readily admit you have never studied in depth and you admit you have never known Jesus. So- since by observation we can see you wallowing at the bottom of the sin ditch wondering where is the ladder out- why do you even imagine there IS a ladder when the ditch itself IS God's delusion you cast yourself headlong into? Hmmmmm? Wake up mark- you can not escape God's delusion. You LIVE a lie by HIS DOING. Your quest for doctrinal enlightenment is ALWAYS a dead end- cuz yup- you will be dead before you ever get close to the end of ANY doctrinal quest. God's way- or the highway. can't have both. Choose.
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1/27/2012 8:40 am |
that's all speculation 1-10. The book of Daniel indicates the 4th beast will have ten horns. Only one of the Roman Emperors could have given power to ten kings. The little horn comes after those 10 horns, and the Byzantine empire didn't have much power as the Western side of the Roman Empire. All those Protestants in Europe didn't die for nothing. They knew which nations was making war against them and it wasn't any nation from Africa or the Middle East either. What is the EXACT RESULT of "faith" (of any sort or magnitude ) in that book? Hmmmmmm? Stop and observe yourself. How much time have you WASTED on Satan's little web of lies- instead of OBEYING GOD PERFECTLY? Hmmmmm? Geeeeeesh mark- WAKE THE FRACK UP.
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1/27/2012 11:58 am |
Oneten alludes to another eschatological view. This one is known as Historicism. It's the belief that Biblical prophecy has been unfolding over time. It's a noble view too. The other views are just as noble. Futurism (the belief that it is all yet to come)is the one most people are familiar with today. The other one is called by several names, but here I'll refer to it as Spiritualism/Idealism. (It's the belief that Revelation is a symbolic book with meanings personal to each individual.) All of the views can be backed up with Scripture. So none can be proven or disproven. The discussion only gets stupid when fools try to denigrate one view or the other, or to denigrate those who think differently from them on the subject. In essence, this is another stupid thing to fight about. Especially when people are stupid enough to attack others for their beliefs. Tried to give you a graceful and noble way out of it Stealth, but you couldn't put the puzzle together.
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1/27/2012 7:12 pm |
puzzles and big pictures go a long way, lol They are one and the same. If this were not true- God would not be occult (hidden) nor would Jesus have further muddied the waters in the bottom of the "sin ditch". Only the "called" will ever even SEE the "big picture" and only those whom God Himself chooses- will ever even know the picture AS SEEN- IS the puzzle. There will be 2 (exactly 2 ) who ever figure out the puzzle. One will die for it- one will live for it. No one will reveal it. Few others will ever even care. Too busy buried in the delusion.
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1/28/2012 8:47 pm |
There is only one puzzle and only one "big picture". They are one and the same. If this were not true- God would not be occult (hidden) nor would Jesus have further muddied the waters in the bottom of the "sin ditch". Only the "called" will ever even SEE the "big picture" and only those whom God Himself chooses- will ever even know the picture AS SEEN- IS the puzzle. There will be 2 (exactly 2 ) who ever figure out the puzzle. One will die for it- one will live for it. No one will reveal it. Few others will ever even care. Too busy buried in the delusion. because your point got 'muddied,' too
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1/29/2012 9:02 am |
and your excuse is? because your point got 'muddied,' tooIf you can't figure out the puzzle on your own- my points will seem like the waters in the ditch - Jesus said so- You do prove His words ya know- "seeing they can not see- hearing they will never know- TRUTH is hidden from the seeker who thinks God is stupid."
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