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evermindful 72F
139 posts
2/1/2008 10:00 pm
Relationships with professional women.

This is mainly for the ladies, but I invite anyone to comment. On the Oprah show this week there was a relationship counselor who addressed why many professional women are single. I think she was speaking to all of us. One woman had dated more than 100 men(I don't know how she had the time or energy to do that) in the past year,and never got past the first date. Oprah's cameras followed her on two dates. On the dates she totally dominated the conversations,and her attitude was somewhat condescending and it was evident that she was constantly upstaging her dates and besting them in everything. Her dress and overall demeanor exhumed intelligence and power. She wore a hat, but not a feminine hat that offered any hint that she was a woman or gave any hint of sex appeal. It was one of her usual professional suit-like outfits. She seemed very intent in wanting to impress the gentlemen with her knowledge and intelligence. Perhaps, in doing so, she wanted him to see what a great catch she'd make! Her conversation was exhaustless, and bantering. Dating her could be likened to entrapment,and she appeared to be desperately trying to reel them in!
The other lady who was on the show had similar qualities. She was a 35y/o professional, and seemed to be "The total package." She was financially successful, had been engaged, but the guy eventually pulled out. Her mother had written in to Oprah because she couldn't understand how her beautiful, educated could still be single at 35y/o.
The 3rd lady was about 45y/o, and was dating guys who were frequently half her age,and was trapped in the partying and drinking scene. She was shown making a fool of herself, bimbo-like, and unable to sustain a relationship,simply because of her immaturity,and the immaturity of those she dated. She was always surrounded by men, but none who wanted more than a one- night stand!
Ok professional ladies, so what are we doing wrong? The percentages of single professional women has certainly increased, and even tripled for African-American women. We are financially successful,own beautiful homes and cars, seem to be so well put together and have it all, but are alone! I don't think many of us date 100 men like the woman mentioned above. Many of us, like myself, just give up! We involve ourselves in so many activities , or in our careers and that shields us from loneliness. We are actually too busy, and exhausted by the end of the night, that our bodies are numbed. Are many of us actually rejoicing in God in our singleness , or are we retreating from prior pain? Some are even adopting or having babies without the father involvement,esp when one notes the time clock is tickling. We sometimes just forego relationships with a man entirely.
The relationship counselor pointed out how professional women who still desire relationships need to know how to still exhume femininity and softness. Leave the power, and that form of assuredness at work! Allow your man to open the doors or the jar, even though you are very capable of doing it yourself. Wear your power-suit at work, but exhume softness at home or on dates. Be more of a listener than a talker. You are not on the date to talk about how great you are, or your intellectual or political prowess, what you amassed materially, or where you have traveled. She stated that a "man still needs to feel like a man!" She also stated that we do not need to control our relationships, with the type of control that may be necessary in those that you may manage in the work place. Allow your man to feel like a man!
What do you think ladies? "Should we pretend? " This was Oprah's question, and is also mine. Wouldn't that be dishonest,when we know we are very well capable of doing things ourselves? Do we grab our own tool belts and put the bike together? Do we allow them to pay, and continue to hold doors? Do we see more and more men choosing women who appear to us to be brainless bimbos, but who satisfy a man's deep need to feel like a man and to be needed by the damsel in distress? I invite your responses.
Yours in Christ,
Evermindful


Greater is He who is within me, than He who is within the world.


jlgh 75M

2/8/2008 2:12 pm

What an interesting post! My first thought is that the single professional woman you describe sounds a bit like the good wife at the end of the book of Proverbs: "...She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard. She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks. She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night...". Whether you are a man or a woman, you can be strong and competent, but still be kind and honest and warm and loving and generous hearted. Pretending to be less than you really are is just letting the world press you into its own mould.


evermindful replies on 2/8/2008 5:11 pm:
Hi jlgh,
Thanks for your response to my blog. That is such an interesting comparison. It helps all of us to all see that there have always been strong women, even back when Proverbs was written! I would like to be like the good wife, and still be loved and appreciated as a beautiful and feminine creation of God! Thanks again! It is great hearing a MAN's perspective!
May God's peace be with you.
Brenda

simplyme39 61F
311 posts
2/2/2008 11:45 pm

Hello evermindful,
Welcome to blogland and thanks for the insight. As for me, whether you are a man or a woman, you should always act and become who and what you are. There's no sense trying to pretend who you are not. Like for example, intelligent women should never try to act dumb just to play safe with a man, just as dumb women should not try so hard pretending to be intelligent,just to impress a man. Each is bound to fail, one way or the other. We all should be loved for who we are and what we can become, not for what our partners imagine us to be. But yes, in a relationship, man should be man....Its alright to feel, act and think like a woman....its how God intended it to be. I love being and feeling like a total woman.One should compliment the other. God Bless.
Sandra


evermindful replies on 2/5/2008 1:05 pm:
Hi Simplyme!
Thanks for your response to my blog. I've thought about this quite a bit since entering this blog. I thought how at one time women were not pushed into the math and science based careers because we were thought incapable of performing well. We were just "too emotional!" I think if we pretend to be something that we aren't that we are not only being dishonest,but we are taking a step backwards! There is nothing that makes me angrier than when men blame all of a woman's responses on her menses cycle, or her emotions. I know that we are more than capable of rational thought processing and high levels of intellectual decision making. I think women are very capable of wearing different hats to assume various roles. I am so proud that Hillary is running for president. It doesn't matter whether I support her or not, but I am just proud that "SHE IS WOMAN!" Yes, Bill is taking a back seat to her right now. Yet , I'm sure that when they go home she is ready to put on her sexy nightie and curl up in his arms at night.( That is, if she has totally forgiven him for all the crap he put her through!)

I've always been one who loves tinkering with things and taking them apart and putting them back together. When I was a child, I climbed trees, played marbles, & chopped wood , layered tile, played with dolls ,and played dress up. I worked side by side with my brothers on home projects. My brothers also cooked and stitched their own clothes! We didn't have these distinct male/female roles, but all worked together to get the job done as expediently as possible. My Dad was a restaurant owner ,and a gourmet cook. My Mom was a school teacher. As an adult today, I get excited when I receive a new computer, and put it together myself. I get excited when I paint and decorate my home myself.I am proud of my collection of tools and my drill. It gives me more independence,and makes me feel more resourseful. Yet, if I were not single, I'm not sure that I could sit back and bit my tongue when I see my man doing something wrong, when I know that I have greater expertise in doing it correctly, so that we don't incur thousands of dollars in expense to undo the wrong that was done! I really don't see that as blowing my on horn. Just as I wouldn't feel that he was blowing his own horn if he had a special gourmet meal which he loved preparing. I give him his kudos and props! I certainly wouldn't feel in anyway slighted as a woman! "More power to you Sweetie!" I also like putting on the frilly dress, painting my nails, waxing my eyebrows , having doors opened for me, being pampered with flowers, and feeling like a beautiful princess! I like a man who is also multi-faceted, & comfortable and secure with his sexuality. When I was married , I made a higher income than my spouse, even though he was an aeronautical engineer,and better educated than I, I made more as a registered nurse. That really ate at him! I never threw my salary up in his face, but did expect him to pay 50% of our living expenses. He was the one bothered by my higher income. I saw this as his issue, not mine! I liked having my own money, and total control of what I did with it! I've always been one who never wanted to ask anyone for money, and have always loved my independence! I guess I'm my Mom's daughter. She always drilled into me as a teen to get my education,and never allow yourself to be dependent on a man! You should never have to beg a man for money for kotex or tampons. Be your own person!" I guess today I'd feel as though I was almost cowering if I had to beg a man for money . I'd probably sink into depression. I would love to remarry, or enjoy a warm companionship, but not if it means sacrificing who I am! If I am with a man I with him because I desire and enjoy his company! Shouldn't he find that to be positive,rather than negative? Is there a line of delineation? I feel that when God choses the right man for me, He will chose someone who does not have all of these insecurities. If He does not chose that person, then it means that He desires me to just continue to rejoice in my singleness, and work in his vineyard. My happiness is not based on a relationship with a man, but in my relationship with Christ, with a man being an adjunct to that relationship in terms of gaining more inner peace.

HAPPY FAT TUESDAY. I'D NEVER PUBLICLY BEAR MY BREAST, BUT WOULD LIKE TO THROW MY BRA , LIKE THE WOMEN IN THE WOMAN'S SUFFRAGE MOVEMENT! GOD BLESS!
Brenda

Dundeal
(William Watson)
67M
18097 posts
2/2/2008 8:34 pm

awesome post, thanks for sharing, and welcome to the land of blogs, cheers

May the Lord bless you and keep you


evermindful replies on 2/2/2008 9:38 pm:
Thanks for the welcome ,and for reading my blog.God's peace!
Brenda

Indescribeable 65F
8057 posts
2/1/2008 11:00 pm

Excellent post! I was that career woman once and I can relate totally to this post. I have been single now for 12 years. It wasn't until I retired from my career that I started noticing the beauty of letting a man be a man. It's really God's plan. Is it not?

Welcome to blogland. I hope that you meet many beautiful Christian friends as I have. If I can ever assist you with finding your way around the blogs, please let me know.

GBY,

Sheri

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evermindful replies on 2/2/2008 12:06 pm:
HI Sheri!
Thanks for your response to my blog. This is my first time doing this, so I don't really know what I am doing!
I agree with you that it is God's plan. That is Biblical! I think career women frequently have the gift of gab, and we don't always know when to stuff a sock in it! Because we are single, we have also learned to be resourceful and self sufficient, and do not always realize that we are totally usurping that masculine complement. When I was married , I remember my spouse saying that I was more like a man than a woman. I felt very insulted, and didn't really understand what he meant then, but now I do! I wanted to do the painting, because I thought I could do it much neater than he. I was capable of reading the instructions and assembling the bike,using my drill to hang the curtain rods,etc. I totally stripped him as a man. Now I'm learning that I don't need to be competitive, and can better enjoy my role as the woman that God has blessed me to be.
God Bless!
Brenda